. ♪ ♪ >> neil: we're told that chuck hagel will live to fight another day. one says why bother? he said he would be at best a wounded defense secretary even if he does survive, so dump him. he says all sides and the nation would be the better for it. explain. >> i think you have a situation, neil, where you have a guy who is not going to be a strong secretary of defense. he is not prepared by experience or by education or, frankly, by intelligence for this particular job and would be coming in at a very, very difficult time with the sequester and all the other things going on. mr. hagel may be a very nice man but we have a lot of people whoa we be better. i don't think we're going to get anybody but hagel. he's going to be confirmed and figures to be what mr. obama wants, a guy who is not going to be independent, who is not going to have a deep knowledge of the defense community and not going to be a very effective guy over >> neil: some secretaries of defense, leeon panetta, no defense background, did a pretty good job, utilizing his congressional skills and advisory skills. tu